An Interview With JOSEF GINSBURG
by Eric Thomson
Josef Ginsburg, who wrote under the pen name of "J.G. Burg", came to Toronto
to assist Ernst Zündel's defence effort in The Great Holocaust Trial in
1988, at which time I was able to speak to this remarkable anti-Zionist Jew
and to make extensive notes after each conversation. "Mr. Burg", as he
preferred to be addressed, was the author of several booklets on such
favorite Zionist subjects as the so-called Holocaust, the founding of the
bandit-state of Israel, the so-called "diary" of Anne Frank, German "guilt",
etc. Unfortunately, none of his works are available in English, to my
knowledge and most of them appear to be out of print. I am sure the Zionists
are happy about that, for my own readings of his works answered any question
I might have had as to why the "Bundeszog" or Zionist Occupation Government
of Germany and their Jewish masters were attempting to surround "J.G. Burg"
with a wall of silence. Zionist thugs had even attacked him in a cemetery
where he was visiting the grave of a lady friend who had perished in a fire
which "Burg" insisted had been set by the Zionists.
Josef Ginsburg, who no longer needs the threadbare cover of his pen name,
now that he is dead, probably put up a good fight, despite his years. He was
a short, tough, wiry, agile and keenly alert man, with penetrating gaze and
hawk-like features. His sharp eyes and almost haughty demeanor seemed to
challenge all whom he met, as if to say: "You, there! How do you serve or
thwart my purpose?" Being a Jew, he often involved himself in confusing
circular and/or corkscrew reasoning of the sort exemplified by Franz Kafka's
stories. When his guard was up, as it usually was, he would only answer a
question with a question: "Is your name Josef Ginsburg?" "Why do you ask me
that?"
Certainly, I would have received nothing but questions in answer to my
questions, had I told him that I was treating our conversations as an
interview and that I was secretly making notes of his statements. For anyone
who did interview him, with his knowledge, it was a struggle all the way.
Whenever there were witnesses, cameras, microphones and/or tape recorders in
evidence, he would become very cagey and evasive. He insisted that no one
take any pictures of him and he actually made a videotaped interview in
which only the face of the interviewer ever appeared on camera! After this
"night and fog" appearance, he demanded and received the interviewer's
promise that the interview would not be released or shown to anyone before
his death. Although I did not tell him that I was taking notes, I respected
Mr. Ginsburg's wishes also in this regard.
Josef Ginsburg was exasperating, for he was an eyewitness to history,
specifically the Zionist-National Socialist collaboration which Zionists
have always exerted themselves so mightily to cover up. Yet, he would not
reveal publicly how he had learned the truth about the Holohoax and the gas
chamber lie. He would even quibble about his own identity and the political
connections which caused him to be among the first Soviet inspectors of all
the so-called death camps in Poland. Privately, he made no attempt to hide
his Communist connections and sympathies. Yes, he had toured the
concentration camps of Auschwitz, Birkenau, Maidanek, Treblinka, Sobibor and
all the others in Poland, as a member of the official Soviet inspection team
and he found no evidence whatsoever of any attempt on the part of the
Germans to exterminate anyone and certainly not by means of lethal gas
chambers! But by refusing to admit this in any public interview, his
statements debunking the Holocaust legend were largely dismissed by
journalists as 'unauthoritative opinion', which went unreported. That gave
these prostitutes of the pen an 'easy out', for they were already being paid
to believe in the Holocaust hoax. If Ginsburg had been more open to them, he
could have at least raised some doubts in their own minds, regardless of the
rubbish their editors deemed 'fit to print'.
I told him that he should tell them that he was a Communist and a member of
the Soviet inspection team ("our gallant Soviet allies"), for in Soviet
Canuckistan, alias Canada, that would be tantamount to sainthood. The word
of a Communist Jew "simply must be true" and the only rebuttal available to
the Zionist Holocaust historians would be (a) to prove that he was not a
Communist or (b) not a Jew. But Josef Ginsburg would not go all out, as he
saw it, to set the historical record straight. To this day it is a mystery
to me why he wanted to 'pull his punches' or "hide his candle under a
bushel". Perhaps he feared for his life, although he and his work were no
secret whatsoever to the Zionists and their German Occupation Government
stooges, for he lived in Germany and could be contacted through a small
publishing firm there. Maybe he thought they could not locate him if he
concealed his real name and background. He behaved as if he feared to
compromise his 'security', no matter how illusory that security appeared to
me and others.
Josef Ginsburg's motive for attacking Zionism by stating historical truth
was indeed very Jewish: he feared that Jews were endangering their survival
by putting all their political eggs into the Zionist basket. He saw in
Communism, as his fellow Jews had seen in Christianity and Capitalism, a
protective cloak of universalism in which the body of Jewish tribalism would
thrive.... Ginsburg saw the Zionist drive to particularize Jewish, as
opposed to Gentile, interests as extremely dangerous. I certainly agreed
with him on this point and I asked him why the Rothschilds, the
International Zionists par excellence, had funded Theodor Herzl's
Territorial Zionist efforts, which, if successful, would serve to identify,
separate and isolate the Jewish population from the rest of the world. "The
Rothschilds had to do it," said Ginsburg, "because it is so ordered in their
family compact." I asked him what he meant by that, thinking of A. Conan
Doyle's "The Musgrave Ritual". "Each heir to the Rothschild fortune must
read the compact and agree to fulfill its provisions, to the best of his
ability, during his lifetime," he said. "There is no argument with the terms
of the compact, regardless of any perception of danger or undesirability on
the part of the heir. The family compact has the force of law." "But," I
said, "the state of Israel is very much a danger to the interests of world
Jewry." "I agree with you," said Ginsburg. "The Rothschilds may also agree
with you, but they must carry out the orders which have been in effect for
many centuries. They have no recourse."
Although Jews have not only survived, but thrived, prospered and conned
their way to conquest via such fallacious 'universal creeds' as Christianity
and Capitalism, Ginsburg was convinced that 'Communism was the only way to
go'. I mentioned Jabotinsky's group, from which came the founders of Israel,
as being a bunch of Communist-Zionists. "That is a contradiction in terms,"
he said, "for true Communism is internationalist and all-inclusive. It
cannot be nationalist and therefore exclusive. That is why I call the
Territorial Zionists who founded the state of Israel 'Zionazis' and that is
why people like Ben Gurion, Levi Skolnick, alias Eshkol and Golda Meyersohn,
alias Meir, got along so well with the German Nazis, especially after their
little Kristallnacht show which they deemed necessary to scare their fellow
Jews out of Germany, hopefully to settle in Palestine."
"You bring up this recurrent theme of German Nazi-Zionazi collaboration," I
said. "This is a fairly new concept to me."
"And rightly so," he said, "for that is just the way the Zionazis who
control the media want their collaboration to be: secret. Eichmann was one
of their weak links. That's why they had to kidnap him from Argentina and
murder him in Israel. They locked him in a glass box in the courtroom,
supposedly for his protection, but really to keep him from hearing the real
questions and giving real answers. Eichmann was a fool. He did not even know
that he had a dangerous secret, for he had done nothing wrong. He should
have kept his mouth shut and gone into hiding when he heard about the
Zionazis' murder of his Jewish counterpart, Joel Brandt, in Israel."
"So, innocence can be deadly," I said. "Yes," he agreed, "the guilty know
why they should cover their tracks and they know how to do it."
"So what was Eichmann's role in German Nazi-Zionazi collaboration?" I asked.
"He worked with Joel Brandt and others to smuggle Jews out of Europe and
into Palestine, against the wishes of the British who governed the territory
under a mandate."
"Would Eichmann have known about the Ha'arev or Transfer Agreement which
allowed Jews emigrating from Germany to take their wealth with them in the
form of German-made goods?" I asked.
"Another reason for his judicial murder," said Ginsburg.
"You mentioned earlier that the Zionists and the Nazis collaborated on the
drafting of the so-called Nuremberg Race Laws," I said.
"Yes," he said, "one of the Zionist collaborators was Rabbi Leo Baeck, who
now lives in London, England."
"What did Baeck do?" I asked. "He helped the Nazis define who was a Jew and
who was a German and he suggested the adoption of the yellow, six-pointed
star as the symbol of the Jewish nation."
"You mean that this symbol was not previously used to signify Judaism?" I
asked.
"Oh, it was a Jewish symbol, just as it was a Babylonian symbol. The
six-pointed star was used by many different people. The German Condor Legion
used it as a badge of rank in Spain during the Fascist War from 1936 to
1939. Your American police often use the six-pointed star. But as late as
the 1930s, 'The Lion of Judah' was used to symbolize Jewish nationality. You
may remember the British newspaper story which appeared in March, 1933,
headlined "Judea Declares War on Germany."
"Yes," I said.
"Well, the article carried a frieze-like strip of lions and swastikas across
the front page which symbolized 'Germans versus Jews'. No six-pointed
stars!" he exclaimed.
"I remember the article," I said. "Samuel Untermeyer of the World Jewish
Congress declared a boycott of all German goods. Did this mean that there
was a conflict between the Territorial Zionists and the International
Zionists?"
"No," he said. "The Zionists were only making sure that German foreign trade
would remain under their control, as they had done with Germany in World War
I. They made the blockade and broke it themselves. No one else was allowed
to do that, so it was really a Zionist monopoly of German trade."
"What, in your opinion, was the reason for the Zionist 'declaration of war'
on Germany in 1933, only a month after Hitler's election as Chancellor?" I
asked.
"The Zionists (and all other Jews, I thought) never do anything for only one
reason," he said. "Their declaration of war was given with at least a
twofold purpose. One reason was their hatred of Hitler's economic program
and his intention of nationalizing the Bank of Germany, which was owned by
the Rothschilds, as are all so-called national banks today."
"So you agree that the Rothschilds and their bankster stooges control the
creation of money for the entire world," I said.
"Yes," he smiled grimly. "Their 'tekla mekla' money is created out of
nothing and they charge interest on it!"
"What would be another reason for the Zionists' declaration of war on
Germany?" I asked.
"To conceal their collaboration with the Nazis," he said.
"What were some major points of Nazi-Zionist collaboration?" I asked.
"First, was the creation of a Zionist state in German-controlled territory.
Second, was the German Government's assistance for Jews to leave Germany,
preferably to enter Palestine illegally. Third, was Zionist assistance in
supplying Germany with foreign exchange and goods, even during World War
II." he said.
"But why would the Zionists support Germany, when they wanted the Allies to
win?" I asked.
"The Zionists did not help Germany sufficiently to win the war, but only to
make a profit and maintain their influence with the Germans," he said. "Zionazi
Ben Gurion bragged that he was fighting London and Berlin."
"You said that the Germans helped the Zionists to build a state within
German-controlled territory," I said.
"Yes," said Ginsburg. "Zionists were given such jurisdiction in
transit/training camps like Theresienstadt and they also established
autonomous zones in parts of occupied Poland and Russia, as well as ruling
over the ghettos of Polish cities like Warsaw, Lublin and Crakow."
"Is it true," I asked, "that the Germans taught Jews such trades as
carpentry, bricklaying, machine tooling, plumbing, farming, animal
husbandry, auto mechanics, etc.?"
"Yes," he said, "they did. The Germans also helped the Zionists to have
their own money, banks, postage stamps, post offices and police, all of
which were recognized by the German authorities."
"It is so different from the Hollywood version of German-Jewish relations
which the Zionists want us to believe," I said.
"Was there, in your experience, sufficient Jewish suffering during World War
II to call it a 'holocaust'?" I asked.
"Oh, there was Jewish suffering," he said, "but nothing to compare with
German suffering!"
"Was Jewish suffering due to German policies?" I asked.
"Indirectly," he said. "The Jews suffered most under the Zionists,
especially in the ghettos and the autonomous areas. A Jew could be thankful
if he were in a German camp like Auschwitz, for at least he would be fed as
long as supplies lasted and he would receive medical treatment."
"What was going on in the Zionist-ruled districts that caused Jewish
suffering?" I asked.
"It was a catastrophe!" he said. "The Zionist administration was so criminal
and corrupt that essential supplies, such as food, clothing and medicines
wound up in the hands of black marketeers and speculators. There were
shocking scenes of Jewish children begging and starving outside Jewish
restaurants, while fat Jewish diners looked out at them with indifference
and Jewish policemen strolled by, unconcerned!"
"What about the autonomous areas, where there was open land?" I asked.
"That was even worse!" he declared. "True, there was farmland and woodland,
tools, implements and simple housing, wells and streams, but rich Jews who
had previously relied upon Gentile laborers and servants could not fend for
themselves. Once again, Jewish criminals stole the German food supplies, so
even the rich Jews suffered and died under Zionist misgovernment."
"In regard to hoarding, speculating and black marketeering, you had
mentioned Simon Wiesenthal," I said.
"Yes," he said. "The Gestapo had a department called the Stachel (barb),
composed of Jewish agents who spied on fellow Jews who were hoarding and
black marketeering. The agent received a reward in the form of a percentage
of the value of any contraband he discovered. Wiesenthal was such an agent."
JOSEF GINSBURG on how to make a Jew tell the truth:
Jew-wise Gentiles know about the "Jews' oath" or Kol Nidre prayer, which all
devout Jews say every year to absolve them from telling the truth in the
year to come. But there is a way to make a religious Jew tell the truth,
according to Josef Ginsburg, who was himself the son of an orthodox rabbi.
"First, all Christian symbols must be cleared from the room. Then, a Hebrew
bible and a rabbi must be present. The Jew must don a skull cap and take a
rabbinical oath which nullifies the Kol Nidre anti-oath oath." After this
procedure, Josef Ginsburg claimed that "99.5% of all the sick holocaust
stories would become truthful silence!" Jews are not otherwise bound to tell
the truth, because their courtroom oath (as well as their pledge of
allegiance) is deemed by them to be of no account, whatsoever!
